So, notch tweeted about bugs being fixed and a bug that's fixed is what we all love the most (I think ) --- max speed when two minecarts are touching.... Sooooo no more c-booster or other type of booster means more gold for powered tracks means more fixing for skyline and other huge lines means rethinking stations.

If he is just fixing the glitch with the two minecarts touching, I don't think it will cause much trouble with the rail systems. But if he fixes the launcher, then we have a HUGE problem...

He fucking better not! I just learn how to make cboosters

I'm not sure what to make out of it... he posts this:

"From my changelist: "* Fixed minecarts next to each other causing extreme velocities (sorry!)""

.. which obviously sounds like cboosters and every other type of 'glitch' boosters, but then he also tweets this..

"Also, removing creepers, making all blocks spherical, and limiting the map height to 7."

Sooo.. I don't know, at this point I think notch is trolling everyone, or at least I hope he is... I mean really, he can't be serious..

7? Lol.

Alt, first post was real, fixing the cart glitch.... second post was a joke after the uproar when people figured out all their previous track systems using the old style cart boosters would be broken.

So, if he does take out the cart booster, will that affect c-boosters as well? I have a gut feeling it will. My reasoning; you can have a c-booster with just 4 carts on 4 track sections, so the boost and glitching must come from them touching each other, giving each other infinite momentum.

I can't be sure though till 1.6 is released. I think a few other things we currently take for granted will be broken as well. But, usually fixing one thing leads to other things breaking, so maybe direct cart glitching will be gone, but something new will pop up to take its place. Like the 'buffed up' powered carts + power rails spinning quickly will shoot out a cart at nearly infinite momentum.

Someone somewhere will stumble across a replacement. If not, power rails are /kit-able, so its not a complete loss. A ridden cart just needs a power rail every 25 normal rails on flat ground. You can cover 1,000 blocks with just 40 power rails, which is less than you get in one /kit, I think.

We get 16 power rails per kit, but that's not the important bit here.

Man, we've built entire cart networks based on the cbooster - and I love it to bits! I don't even know what I love the most, the booster or the idea of it (carts crashing together creating a magnetic field!). But in any case, it's going to be a lot of work to redesign the entire rail networks until we can someone create infinite momentum with powered rails somehow.

Yes, we'll see how it turns out when they are given more of a boost when 1.6 comes out. Until then; let's enjoy what we have!

Maybe in the future after notch hears complaints and whatever, he will release an actual item or system (non glitch) that will give infinite momentum?

he also said that powered tracks will give more speed so finally the cart will go more than 25 blocks. so more to think that it's real what he said.

Maybe in the future after notch hears complaints and whatever, he will release an actual item or system (non glitch) that will give infinite momentum?

dubien

I doubt it. It's more likely that someone either finds a new glitch, or someone finds a way to harness the power of something else. We'll just have to wait and see exactly how much damage Notch is going to do with the release of 1.6 - after that we have to do damage control (i.e. rebuild a lot and possibly find new ways).

How is this a problem, guys? You knew what you were getting into with a Beta, he just cleans up a messy glitch. Single booster tracks are much better to the eye and to design in than glitch-powered boosters and what not!

I like the change. We will need to do a little repair but hey-ho! Something more to do in Minecraft

How is this a problem, guys? You knew what you were getting into with a Beta, he just cleans up a messy glitch. Single booster tracks are much better to the eye and to design in than glitch-powered boosters and what not!

I like the change. We will need to do a little repair but hey-ho! Something more to do in Minecraft

DavH27

Cboosters are normally hidden but, mine is under the floor where it's out of sight so it's not really an eyesore

How is this a problem, guys? You knew what you were getting into with a Beta, he just cleans up a messy glitch. Single booster tracks are much better to the eye and to design in than glitch-powered boosters and what not!

DavH27

You're talking about conventional boosters - yes, those aren't "pretty". But our cboosters (the magnetic field boosters) are hidden, and don't make a "mess" at all. You basically cannot see them, and wouldn't know where they are unless you know how they're built. And with them giving you an infinite boost (you can keep on riding from one boost of one of those cboosters forever), how is powered rails better? We've built entire networks around the cboosters, and it's not just "a little to clean up". We're talking about complete redesigning of every single large rail network.

The West Line goes out 6000 blocks to Blinky's beach, and then even further. The North Rail goes out 6000 blocks to dubien's current location, and there's thousands of rails done to the sides of that rail. Everything would have to be redone. Notch isn't "fixing" the cboosters - he's destroying a lot of work! That's what we're angry about. Not the conventional boosters.

As bad as the work is for us, it was not an intended feature. It was a glitch.

Notch gave us an alternative before he went to fix the glitch, we just have to persevere though and deal with it.

^ agreed, it's going to cause a lot of work, but what's the problem? whenever there's a big job that needs doing we all band together to get it sorted. One more big job will only bring us all together for a little work and more play!

I'll be online tonight about 22:00 GMT volunteering my services Anyone online then to donate some of those tracks to the cause? I am not a donator (yet)

sure will.

I definitely think we should get started immediately now we know it's coming, that way there wont be a railway downtime when it hits.

also Trap Doors are coming according to Notches Twitter

I definitely think we should get started immediately now we know it's coming, that way there wont be a railway downtime when it hits.

diablothe2nd

If we start now, there'll be railway downtime anyways. If we add one piece of powered rail to a section between stations, that entire section will be down until you have completed that section. And trust me, there are some pretty damn long sections around.

I think it's better to wait and see. Why? Because there's still the off chance cboosters won't be completely ruined. Yes, the conventional booster probably will, but we're not using them.

If not, then I guess those of us with gigantic rail networks have a lot of work before us. I know that I won't demand any help from anyone - I built most of (if not the entire) North Rails, and if it needs to be fixed, I'll put just as much effort into fixing it as I did building it in the first place.
But I don't want to start fixing it just yet. Let's enjoy the cboosters while we still have them anyways.

fair point

I think that was a valid arguement, but the point still stands that it is a glitch, and you're not happy about developing a MASSIVE rail network, based on total reliance on the exploitation of a glitch.

Notch has declared war on bugs for his next update (and please please please please please PISTANS!) so it would be wise to keep an eye on his Tumblr and Twitter, maybe even ask him in Twitter about how likely it is that bug will be removed?

I think that was a valid arguement, but the point still stands that it is a glitch, and you're not happy about developing a MASSIVE rail network, based on total reliance on the exploitation of a glitch.

Notch has declared war on bugs for his next update (and please please please please please PISTANS!) so it would be wise to keep an eye on his Tumblr and Twitter, maybe even ask him in Twitter about how likely it is that bug will be removed?

DavH27

i like how you start your post with "i agree, but i don't".

the railways were built at a time when there was nothing else to rely on than just an exploitation of a glitch, so dont slaughter the railway builders like that, they have put tons of effort in building 'em. i think i read someplace that this bug will be fixed. he is going trough the whole list on the minecraft wiki...

dayum, i'm glad that i was so lazy about starting to build my railways.

and you're not happy about developing a MASSIVE rail network, based on total reliance on the exploitation of a glitch.

What 404 said pretty much sums it up.

Notch has declared war on bugs for his next update (and please please please please please PISTANS!) so it would be wise to keep an eye on his Tumblr and Twitter, maybe even ask him in Twitter about how likely it is that bug will be removed?

DavH27

Thing is though... Why destroy a glitch that causes more good than bad? Yes, it's a glitch and was never supposed to be a part of the game, but think of it like this: The glitch, regardless of it being one, has given us the opportunity to create these massive rail networks that actually functions better than powered rails would have us even now. Perhaps the powered rails' improvements will fix this, but I still stand on my previous point: the glitch obviously does more good than bad. Why kill it?

I'm not expecting Notch to come around and decide to keep it. I am just stating the obvious here. Yes, the networks will most likely undergo massive work when 1.6 comes out - but then again, we may also find others ways of exploiting something different to give us the same effect as the cboosters now do, instead of having to rebuild massive areas to put in the powered rails. Only time will tell.

i like how you start your post with "i agree, but i don't".

404thread

I actually didn't. I said he had a valid arguement, but there was a flaw with it. It's constructive debate.

That's twice now you've somehow found a way to nitpick at me - why?

Back to the powered railway/glitch topic...yeah OK I see what you mean about the glitch allowing the unlimited transportation over large distances, but the fact remains it was a glitch. Just as the gappy ladders and the water not pouring over signs/steps is a glitch that people exploit in designs. I have been waiting for bug fixes to be ironed out and to watch the masses complain about it.

I think maybe Notch was a little too eager to get a working product in front of people too early on. It has allowed people to grow accustomed to the behaviours of everything, bugs included.

I do feel your pain about having to rework an entire and extremely substantial build, but see it as D2 put it - see it as a new community project that we can all pitch in with

EDIT: I'd also like to add another point to this - Minecraft makes sense. It follows basic physics (sometimes it cuts corners and sometimes it numbs certain bits of it down to keep it simple, a selling point of the game and what people love about it) but to me, having to set up two mine-carts to go along to each other to have some kind of magnetic effect for unlimited boost effect...just doesn't make sense. To me, it doesn't make sense scientifically (in MC anyway) in the same way a lot of the other Minecraft laws of physics do.

I don't know how updates work or are coded - can Broonie 'switch off' that bug fix?

I'd like to add that I admire the work put into the rail network, but you signed up to a beta game, with bugs, so you probably shouldn't grow too fond of them should Notch decide to kill them!

I'd like to ride the rail this evening...get a feel for it's magnitude. Maybe then I'd see why you're upset if I can just grasp how much work would be involved in it's revamp. It is closed to public?

yes he's fixing the side to side cart glitch that is the main sources of our power and we suspect for the c booster how ever i wonder has anyone tried making a c booster with only one track of power rails with carts glitch into each other i am curious as to whether this might generate the same affect as to where this is the bug that actually boost the subject cart i am unsure of as i have never witnessed a side to side carts in opposite directions stopping each other the way a c-field can stop a cart dead

Thing is though... Why destroy a glitch that causes more good than bad?

Kahr

Because he created the powered rails to take there place. So he can now fix the booster glitch. While powered rails may not be 100% perfect currently he may improve them in the future.