A day ago I was flying around the nether on FTB looking for good ores to mine when BANG I am dead and I read messages that the area is protected and all my belongings have been confiscated. I then find out that it is a feature of FTB called modular force fields.

Now I understand the nether is a place where pvp and griefing are allowed, my own pump was griefed and I accepted it and I even joined the fun and had a go at griefing someone elses pump in retaliation although it had already been griefed when i got there as someone has covered it in lava (I assume to disable the Force Field somehow).

Anyway what I am getting at is that these force fields can be completely invisible and there is no defence against them and they can be placed anywhere so you never know if you're walking/flying towards one.

I lost a lot of good power armor, my best pick, sword and bow to something I had no chance of defeating, it seems a little pointless and unfair to not even allow someone a fighting chance.

I would like to suggest a rule change that MFFS be limited (no killing of other players, just blocking/warning and no stealing of possessions). The nether in FTB is very useful with many new ores unlike vanilla MC where only quartz is particularly useful so it seems mad to make it a place that essentially can't be explored because you never know when you might walk into an invisible instant death trap..

To be honest, I think you've just figured out the meaning of the Nether on this server - Hell. It doesn't matter which map you are on or which version of MC you are playing with - the Nether is a free-for-all area.

Therefore with there being more valuable items available, means there will be more risk.

I'm not familiar with this "Force field" you were talking about (as I've not played FTB yet), but if it's there and not banned in the rules for that server, then there's not much that can be done as Broonie (our host) has decided that it's ok.

However, if you feel that bad about what happened to you, then hopefully Broonie will have a look and decide himself once he's read this.

Please be patient as I am not involved in any decision making processes.

Forcefields are not limited to the nether. You can build them in normal world or any other world aswell. I don't really know them yet but they seem like a nice base defense.
But if they are invisible as you said that would be a bad thing. Same with the instant death, no warning. No matter which world it's just no fun being killed with zero chance for defence or backing up.
So i appeal to all mffs builders to at least use some kind of warning or put up signs or something like that.

Yes I totally understand that the nether is like hell but even hell should give the player a chance of survival... The thing I can see happening is that people will simply set up MFFS all over the nether making the place a completely no go area. IMO that is not a good thing.

In my opinion you can do whatever the hell you want in the nether but ive always been pro nether greif/pvp. Its just a risk you have to take in the nether.

Force fields that kill and confiscate should only be used in the over-world if someone is trespassing. Ie if you have a fence up saying "DO NOT ENTER" and someone flies over it with their jetpack then sure kill them off.

I've always been ok with people pvp-ing between themselves but with both sides accepting (arenas or at war etc) Having pvp in an entire dimension where everyone needs to go has always seemed a little one sided.
I'm not aware of any one hit kill addons to forcefields (but haven't used the new version). If these are to be placed they should either be visible or be inside an area clearly marked as owned (torches or cobble floor or plenty of signs). If this isn't what's to stop me setting dozens around the nether or one of these "harvesting" fields at /spawn to steal the loot of anyone who gets lost.

It takes a lot of resources to build the system you are describing (the camouflage upgrade requiring uu matter) and a ton of power to keep constantly running (600 eu/t in this case). Also, it only takes your items. If you died then that was something else.

All forcefield defences give you warning that you are about to enter a protected area 5 blocks outside their effective zone, precisely so that you can choose to turn around if you wish and so that it cant be used as a surprise griefing tool.

The forcefield defences were my own (in case you haven't already guessed). The irony is the only reason they are so OTT is because you destroyed my lava pumping station last time after it's shield ran out of juice (as you mentioned in your post). You must have been very close to my base for it to have taken effect as it only has a small range.

You may have your items back and I will increase the warn radius to 10 blocks.

There is certainly a degree of thoughtfulness required in making such systems. Obviously putting one at spawn isn't fair. Since mine is relatively small, is in a 10 block radius around my base (which is a suspicious dome of lava) and is 9,000 blocks away from spawn, I thought that was fairly reasonable.

Hi Discharge, I would really appreciate my stuff back thanks, please place it in a chest at spawn for me with my name on and I will pick it up.

I do have to disagree about your forcefield and base being obvious though, I was literally flying through the air over normal lava and saw no signs of a base, I was quite high up and bang I was dead with no warnings, at least none that I could react to in time. I would also disagree that a base covered in lava would be obvious, anything but obvious in the nether IMHO.

Yes I did grief your other pump base but to be honest it looked abandoned, it had lava flowing all over it as though someone has tried to grief it. I spent a good half hour clearing the lava and trying to salvage what was there, I was interested in some of the blocks I had not seen which in the end I could not break anyway. I even ended up accidently dropping most of what I had salvaged into lava so it was all for nothing anyway.

regards

Spin

With those two post of Spin and Dis this thread is going into a new direction.

Disclaimer: i was not there, i didn't watch it nor do i know discharge's base. So i might be totally wrong - if that is so, sorry Spin.
But: you can't run around nether griefing others and later complain just because yourself getting griefed/killed. Nether is a no rules world and the same no rules apply to all.

As for the invisible/instant kill issue that's really hard to judge without having seen/experienced it myself. I think i'll just go out and search for dis' base to see for myself. So i can have an educated opinion and not just guessing as i am atm

Ad, I am not complaining about it really, I just don't think it is the best policy in FTB and wanted to bring it up for discussion.

The shield mod after messing about with it in creative allows you to do a number of things, make a visible shield that stops you entering without killing anyone but you can also have no shield at all and just have a defence station which uses an invisible zone and can be set to simply kill immediately and take all the persons inventory. If you bury it or cover it in Lava (:-p) then you'd never know it was there.

The decision to have the nether as no rules was based on vanila MC and not what you can do in FTB and so I think maybe new rules for FTB would be a good thing especially since the nether has so much more to offer with all the new ores. Rules on how a player can intentionally pvp someone, maybe it has to be 1 on 1 or using vanila tactics. Thats my opinion and obviously I have no say in the matter so if the rule stays then watch out as I already have a technique to bypass MFFS so there is no chance for you, 3:-] (evil laugh effect)

Best

Spin

Just tested it (thx dis for setting your base as it was): the whole thing really went fast but i think you get a pre warning. The main problem here is not the forcefield but using a jetpack (powerarmor one in my case). Moving at 20+ blocks per second makes it really hard to react to anything
As far as i got it it went like this: i saw a strange bulk in the lava. Since dis already gave hints where his base is i assumed i found it, ofc.
So (using the jetpack) i flew over there to check it out. Then chat messages got crazy. I think i got some warning messages there and then my powerarmor was removed. Without armor i dropped into the lava below and died ofc.

For me it really looked like i was just moving too fast. I was already naked swimming in lava before i could react to anything. Checking chat messages i saw a whole lot of warnings/messages . I think i got some pre warnings, too but sadly crashed at that moment so have no chatlog.

Fun fact: respawned at my base and noticed we did not place a single workbench there. And some places are only reachable with flying. Didn't realize i was already that dependant on powerarmor...
oh and thx dis for handing it back to me, didn't expect that.

Back to topic: i personally prefer to have the same set of rules for all servers. Just makes it easier. And FTB makes it really easy to get loads of resources anyways so you can easily remake everything.