As per Broonie's request to keep the "The 'server is down' thread" to just reports of server failures, I thought I'd start this thread for the discussion of any server when it goes down (i.e. if you think you did something or might know why it crashed).

Therefore, report the crash in the normal thread, but then discuss it in here so the other thread doesn't get clogged up with chat.

Thanks

Might be a good idea to put this up as a sticky?

FTBU Server just went down 5 mins ago from this timestamp.

What was we all doing:

__RaZoR__: I was crafting fences in menu.

Server restart at around 6:15am Mon 07/10, i was afk (playing with a kitten), seems its not come back up again.

Still think its suspicious that it starts crashing predominantly at reboot after about a week of playing. That means in a week something accumulates to such an amount that the boot script says something fulgar, flips his table and runs off ...

edit: ealru morning spelling....

seems to have happened around the time it crashed yesterday morning too.

/me rocks back and forth muttering and shivering from CFUK FTBU withdrawals

aye, and itll happen tomorrow too. Once the failures to reboot started last time, they occurred every day.

Yep you're are right Chista... another failed restart.
Broonie what do you do different when manually restarting it?
Is there anything we can do to help, like, test something, check bug reports, mod versions or whatever else?

cant he use the same script he used on ultimate to delete 3/4ths of the ages?

How about banning the use / creation of ages for a few restarts to see if that makes any difference. I know a lot of people use them, but if they are causing the problem, perhaps it's worth limiting them somehow?

manually deleting ages is also possible, but therell probably have to be a warning which ages are being deleted so people dont lose their quarries etc. Perhaps we should help out by documenting what ages we trash?

Tbh i think a full wipe of all ages even the top 10 every sunday would help.

My thinking on the subject is that with each age being created, it's another little world the server has to store, track and run (as required). Therefore once a certain number have been made, it kinda clogs the whole system up and the server can't cope come the restart (times-out perhaps trying to re-load all the ages???).

Therefore I agree with Draze's suggestion. If they are all fully wiped come the end of the week, people will know to remove their stuff before then.

As I've not made an age yet (and have no idea or need to right now) - can one player make more than 1 age? If so, I would also say that people should be limited to 1 age per week (along with the weekly wipe). Also, can the person who created an Age remove it?

I think if we can cut right back on the use of Ages for a little while to see if this improves the reliability of the server, it'll help to rule them out if nothing changes.

Yes a player can create more than one age. Most of the time you even have to, to farm the mystcraft ages and to get the age(s) you want.
Cleanu is a problem because players can destroy the description book but that does not destroy the age.
A full whipe of all ages once per week sounds good to me.

This is all assuming that the ages are the problem, it could be down to some rednet wire touching something or some such.

Its more likely that in the case of reboots, the ages are the problem. Redstone should not technically be an issue unless it's chunk is loaded, and even then it should theoretically also cause crashes at times other then reboots. i.e. whenever a player gets near the faulty rednet.

It's worth trying a weekly age wipe at least, since people will know it happens on sundays so theyll be able to take their stuff out on saturdays.

I think limiting people to one age will only be fair if there is a book someplace with all pages in it, so people dont need to look for pages to get what they want, something I intended to make in the previous world.

I think I read somewhere that every age has a group of "spawn" chunks that have to be loaded at reboot. I think there might have been a mod or tweak to suppress it.

Are ages strictly necessary? I tried them once but they just seem like a convenient way to get lots of resources quicker. I know a lot of other FTB servers ban them completely and it would seem that they are maybe more trouble than they are worth server resource wise, we might even be able to have more than 10 users without them which I think is much more important...

for me, I love ages. Stops all the ugly quarryholes in the overworld and you can make ages that you just think are really pretty.

Small biomes ages are also really useful to be able to keep all your bee breeding loaded, though less useful if you have to move everything out every week.

I'd be sad if mystcraft did go, but I'd understand.

Keep the ages, and wipe them clean once a week. 1 Full week is more than enough for someone to venture and gather resources, pages or whatever. But don't ban completely, its taking a good part of FTB away if you did ban the mod.

I understand but for me it is far more important that the server is stable, available and accessible. And there are still a shed load of stuff to do with FTB even without mystcraft

I thinks its best to determine for 100% that is is mystcraft. Right now it is the "most likely" issue, true. but we don't really KNOW it is mystcraft until we tried to remove ages and see if the issue is still there.

If it is 100% mystcraft, the decision to take it off can always be made. Right now it's more like a 95%. after all:

x-chunk rednet has a chance to crash the server. Should we ban it?
taking a golem's marker while it's active crashes the server (solo too by the way) should we ban it?
A certain axe used on certain trees can kick everyone but the user off the server. Not disclosing said axe for fear of tries... Should the mod that includes it be banned?

In some cases, taking care with things is better then to outright throw it off. We'd have about 6 mods left otherwise, as just about every mod used wrongly can cause client and/or server crashes.

things we can do to avoid crashing the server are fine, as I'd like to think we're all responsible people. This restart problem though can't really be helped by us, as we need to make multiple ages to learn all the parts.

is there a way to give us all the ingredients to make an age? if so, perhaps then we can agree to use it to create our ideal age, and be restricted to just that one per person

creatively spawned notebooks have all pages in them. however, it is also possible to have the community pool their pages, that way fewer ages need to be made all in all.

As far as the pages go i think the community should be able to help each other out as in copying pages. Doesn't need to be for free you can also ask for a fee if wanted or simply trade pages.

For the server restart problem we'll have to wait for words from broonie. I'm still wondering why the auto restart failes but manual restarts work fine. Seems like no script can match the skills of broonie's magic fingers