fixing the map will in my opinion at least require opis to be enabled and i'm all for that.

I'd prefer to find a fix, but if that'll take 4 days, i'd rather roll back now, get opis enabled and make sure we can catch things in time next time.

in case of rollback, the 21st should do it, maybe the 20th to be safe but i'm pretty sure it was fine when i did my thaumcraft research.

well as gotorm says; if we roll-back, surely the same issue will return again, and again, and again. As many areas of the map are ok can't we try and find the areas causing problems and remove them ?
Also deleting the non-overworld dimensions and allowing them to regenerate would also improve things, at least for a while

We've been doing a hell of a lot of building work lately and I'd really hate to see that get rolled back. I'd be more than happy to take a few days off if that would allow you to fix it.

yeah, it'd be a pain to rebuild what I've been up to these last few days.
Opis server-side really sounds like the only viable solution from my corner atm; a rollback is just delaying the inevitable, if it's possible to locate areas or dimensions causing problems then we can try and fix them, plus diagnose problems in the future easier: even if it does come to a rollback, with opis or similar tools we surely should be able to see problems before they become server-breaking

Sorry i've been away for a few days camping, whats the issue? lag getting worse?

Lag is unplayable, no witherparties found yet

Cant do anything, I'd go for.. try and fix it first, if that doesn't work rollback progressively until it works again.. see how it goes.

If it happens again.. update and maybe map reset.

I agree with enabling opis and actually finding what is causing issues. If there are witherparties that we couldn't find nether reset is a possibility. On one hand lag is so bad it is unplayable but on other hand constant map resets mean slower players will never get to higher tech stuff.

I'll probably vote for "fix the map",

but if it dors come to a possability of mod pack change, I would suggest ResonantRise 3
https://www.atlauncher.com/pack/ResonantRise

The server has now degraded to a point where people get disconnected constantly. I was gonna try and see if I could find a wither party, but it looks like i cant stay logged in for more than 120 seconds at best

I'll probably vote for "fix the map",

but if it dors come to a possability of mod pack change, I would suggest ResonantRise 3
https://www.atlauncher.com/pack/ResonantRise

AlexKockica

While I second Res. Rise, it might be awkward finding a configuration we can agree upon that will still be suitable. It's basic shape is pretty bare bones and a lot of the mods we all use would have to be enabled manually. And honestly, that's going to throw off some of the people who currently play on the server.

To all those who voted 'fix the map!':

This is the warning that comes in the forge file, regarding tile entities:

# Set this to true to remove any TileEntity that throws an error in its update method instead of closing the server and reporting a crash log. BE WARNED THIS COULD SCREW UP EVERYTHING USE SPARINGLY WE ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR DAMAGES.

Looks like it's that we're going for according to poll.

Well I actually voted reset and update.. why? because it's quicker and more importantly it fixes some major issues for example:

Grinders not working properly, making mobs invincible and creepers blowing up grinder setups constantly due to that..

"Updated EnderIO 2.2.8.349 - 2.2.8.367
-Disabled the wither skeleton replacement (for now)" which means no more wither super spawning in nether..
and few other important tweaks..

the list of fixes is huge, if u want to take a look go here - https://feedthebeast.atlassian.net/wiki/display/PML/Direwolf20+(1.7.x)+1.3.0

also I suggest an added rule if we get a new map and that is NO MYSTCRAFT AND TWILIGHT as a strongly enforced rule.. (they did make performance changes is mystcraft update, but I'm not sure that will fix the problem..)

that is if we choose to update..

I'm also afraid that temporary map fix won't solve our problems with recurring lag, so we will continue to build and then if it comes to another similar problem and we need a reset, it would be much more painful to all..

It seems better that some blocks get lost rather than everyone can't play.
Will it report what tile entities are removed so we can avoid them in future (at least until they are fixed)?
It would be useful to have a sticky about what to avoid, especially for new/returning players who are out of the loop.

@Alex
The problem is that resetting the overworld will piss off players so much I suspect many will give up. I will if it happens. I get sick of loosing my progress and that's part of the reason I was not playing here over the last couple of years. I hate to be negative about it as i love playing on cfuk, but putting in effort to have it lost for a quick fix would just affirm that it is not worth it.

Well I actually voted reset and update.. why? because it's quicker and more importantly it fixes some major issues for example:

Grinders not working properly, making mobs invincible and creepers blowing up grinder setups constantly due to that..

"Updated EnderIO 2.2.8.349 - 2.2.8.367
-Disabled the wither skeleton replacement (for now)" which means no more wither super spawning in nether..
and few other important tweaks..

the list of fixes is huge, if u want to take a look go here - https://feedthebeast.atlassian.net/wiki/display/PML/Direwolf20+(1.7.x)+1.3.0

also I suggest an added rule if we get a new map and that is NO MYSTCRAFT AND TWILIGHT as a strongly enforced rule.. (they did make performance changes is mystcraft update, but I'm not sure that will fix the problem..)

that is if we choose to update..

I'm also afraid that temporary map fix won't solve our problems with recurring lag, so we will continue to build and then if it comes to another similar problem and we need a reset, it would be much more painful to all..

AlexKockica

This is a very good point. I Would be all for an update if this modpack didn't have track record of introducing more game breaking bugs with every version. Also I don't know how difficult it would be for BRooNiE to update the plugin (lets think about admins as well as ourselves). I still think updating now is not a bad idea since the fact that we need reset sunk in already.

I know, I have put a lot of effort in previous mod packs (as well as this one) and we had a reset every time, but we were all warned that those packs are for testing and resets may or may not occur..

But I also remember that rollbacks, map fixes etc always end up bad eventually and you get a reset anyway just with a certain time delay.. which as I said before is even more painful because all the new stuff you built in that time period would also be lost..

This is a very good point. I Would be all for an update if this modpack didn't have track record of introducing more game breaking bugs with every version. Also I don't know how difficult it would be for BRooNiE to update the plugin (lets think about admins as well as ourselves). I still think updating now is not a bad idea since the fact that we need reset sunk in already.

gotorm

Plugin needs a few tweaks as it is currently with block placing permissions etc..
I don't want ppl to get angry with me, I will also lose all my progress and effort put into playing (and I play every day)
so it will hurt me also, but I'm just thinking for the well being of the server and for something that might finally gives us a stable map at one point..

This map has been having huge lag spikes very often, crashes, nether/end problem, ones I mentioned before etc..
So it is kinda stable, but not as good as some ppl say..

While I second Res. Rise, it might be awkward finding a configuration we can agree upon that will still be suitable. It's basic shape is pretty bare bones and a lot of the mods we all use would have to be enabled manually. And honestly, that's going to throw off some of the people who currently play on the server.

PatentedFiend

ah I didn't realise all the mods listed are not in as default.. Nevermind then, I know Broonies "no mods added and everything set to default" policy all too well..

Plugin needs a few tweaks as it is currently with block placing permissions etc..
I don't want ppl to get angry with me, I will also lose all my progress and effort put into playing (and I play every day)
so it will hurt me also, but I'm just thinking for the well being of the server and for something that might finally gives us a stable map at one point..

This map has been having huge lag spikes very often, crashes, nether/end problem, ones I mentioned before etc..
So it is kinda stable, but not as good as some ppl say..

AlexKockica

Nobody will get angry with you, everybody feels like this now. I get to play in bursts when I have time off nowadays. So this time I had off I managed 2 days before it went sour. I may not have time to play like this again for a while. We had a stable map for close to a year one time (correct me if I am wrong). Don't know if you were around that time but we had same issues for months before Broo managed to get it stable. Everything broke when we updated.

Regardless of whether we have a full reset or rollback I will be screwed since I started just before the map broke.

The disconnects when moving dimensions are due to some PCs not being able to keep up with journeymap when it loads in the new dimension. WJG found this out and posted about it ages ago.

Login lag spikes are because about 256 chunks get loaded when people log in, often ones that are nothing like what the seed would've preferred to be there. again nothing too surprising.

Those problems will be there with any modpack and any update. People keep forgetting that DW20 is a very heavy modpack both for PC and server.

Yes there are some things improved with the update, but itll break new things, and in a few weeks therell be another upgrade that fixes the new broken stuff and breaks other things again. I've already said that next map reset I'm out, so i'm pretty sure I don't need to impress upon that again.

Rolling back all the work that me, TheImightycal, kamilkamarov, and Ashaseraph have done would really hinder our experiences, we spent an awful lot of time on the server just to have it trashed. If there is a reset I highly doubt we will continue to play.

The fix is in the post, just need to change that from no to yes, false to true reboot and it'll remove the dodgy tiles (and hopefully nothing is relying on those dodgy tiles that will throw faults too!)

It might destroy builds/tech/things/mods in the process though, which is why we have the poll to roll back to earlier in time, or partially destroy the map to keep it current.

As well as the other options, such as update Direwolf.

BRooNiE

The option BRooNiE talked about above, as I understand it, is a zero tolerance policy for bad tiles. With a a rollback, it wont instantly destroy a lot unless it already gives issues. If this option is enabled without a rollback it will instantly start destroying hundreds of tile entities that are currently spamming the console (and therefore causing the lag), potentially doing a lot of damage to builds and machinery. With a rollback, it will start destroying entities that start causing problems, but this feedback will occur on the first fault.

It would fix our current problem, as well as prevent future tile-entity problems at the cost of potentially deleting tile entities placed by the players that cause issues.

Do correct me if my understanding here is wrong Broo =)

Opis is an option where players themselves could, if given permission, could track down the causes of lag and help get over them that way. I'm not going to claim to know any more than that, but it does mean a problem needs to exist before it can be found. It also needs BRooNiE's approval. If anyone has more complete information on OPIS please do share it.

An informed decision is always a decision better made =)