Re: redpower computers
BRooNiE, Fri Nov 23 2012, 01:17PM

All computers are banned, the disk is purposely unobtainable.

Re: redpower computers
Discharge, Fri Nov 23 2012, 04:19PM

Wish we could have redpower computers

Re: redpower computers
wjg999, Fri Nov 23 2012, 04:41PM

well thanks for the clarification

Re: redpower computers
Freddyfrog, Fri Nov 23 2012, 05:48PM

I believe they can damage the server can't they ? If they get into th wrong hands....


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Re: redpower computers
Discharge, Fri Nov 23 2012, 07:14PM

I believe they can damage the server can't they ? If they get into th wrong hands....

Freddyfrog

Not redpower ones. No.

Re: redpower computers
wjg999, Fri Nov 23 2012, 07:21PM

then now im confuzed about why they were banned:/
is it cuz it lags the server?

Re: redpower computers
Freddyfrog, Fri Nov 23 2012, 09:51PM

Keep chunks loaded then discharge ? Sorry I am not in the know just having a guess.


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Re: redpower computers
Freddyfrog, Fri Nov 23 2012, 09:52PM

Or just plain buggy ?


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Re: redpower computers
boriseng, Sun Nov 25 2012, 11:45AM

I'm going to take a guess that its because there appears to be a binary-level 6502 CPU emulator in there and its likely to chew up a lot of server CPU time even if its just sitting at the command prompt. There's also an element of "what if everyone builds one".

The policy here seems to be very much "Better safe than sorry", a closed membership server can get away with stuff that CF can't.

Re: redpower computers
404thread, Tue Nov 27 2012, 10:51PM

everyone wont build them because not everyone knows what to do with it. i think they should be unbanned. it will make complicated machinery much easier to craft

Re: redpower computers
conathan, Wed Nov 28 2012, 02:58AM

I think it's premature to even consider that 404, already with the items we have things are still in rough shape.

I think the main concern with them, is either due to the server resources needed to use it, or else it's going to be that it could be a security risk to the server.

Re: redpower computers
Discharge, Wed Nov 28 2012, 10:28AM

I think the main concern with them, is either due to the server resources needed to use it, or else it's going to be that it could be a security risk to the server.

conathan

I'm not sure about this. The only thing those computers can do is turn redstone outputs on and off and do basic logic and arithmetic operations etc. This raises two key points: 1) They do the same stuff you can do with redstone torches and wires in a far less abstract way. In the same way that writing a program to find prime numbers wont be as efficient in javascript as it would be in java, and likewise java wont be as quick as C, and C wont be as quick as if you made a dedicated circuit from transistors, redstone computers are less abstract than wires and torches. Consider my 64 bit hashing security lock in the old vanilla world. It takes up a space 80 x 80 x 15 blocks, full of redstone torches, diodes, pistons and the like. All it does is a very basic algorithm something like: n' = (n<<3) ^ (n>>7) ^ n Do you think making that work with a redstone computer, simply typing in that algorithm, would be more work for the server than my circuit is? If anything, redstone computers should speed up things. Especially with the kind of machines I tend to make. The kind of people who would be able to use a redstone computer are exactly the same people would be likely to build complex redstone circuits. 2) It's completely sandboxed and has a very limited functional scope Suggesting that you could hack the server with a redpower computer merely because it allows textual input into the server is like suggesting that chat commands could be a security risk because someone could do /warp bash(sudo rm -rf ..) and the server could go poof. That's just not how it works...

Re: redpower computers
Shrapnel, Wed Nov 28 2012, 04:40PM

From what i've heard, apparently somebody here found an example of it...? Can't remember any details, unfortunately.

Re: redpower computers
boriseng, Mon Dec 03 2012, 09:27AM

Also if it really is a binary level emulator its going to burn up server CPU time even when its at the command prompt.

Well unless the developer kludged in a sleep function.

Re: redpower computers
Discharge, Mon Dec 03 2012, 09:52AM

I'm not sure why they would use CPU cycles when nothing was running, but this goes back to my original point that the processing power it requires is far less that a room of standard Redstone, let alone the other tekkit machines and pipe systems.

They do have off switches too so I suppose the same rules would apply to them as anything else - switch off when not in use.

Re: redpower computers
404thread, Tue Dec 11 2012, 08:27AM

building a RS computer is resource consuming and it is completely useless unless you know how to use it. having them banned halts the evolution on our premature server conathan...

Re: redpower computers
boriseng, Thu Dec 13 2012, 08:55AM

You've got to be careful with redpower control generally. I've read that red-alloy wires spam network traffic when they change state. I don't know if this is a problem but playing vanilla I never had problems with my ISP's usage cap, but playing Tekkit I've gone over my traffic limit quite badly.

Though this could be linked to the time of year. Winter=online a lot more?

Re: redpower computers
wjg999, Thu Dec 13 2012, 09:52AM

but like i said before, you can still build and place the machines which means the console of it is still accessable thus wouldnt it still consume those resources and wouldnt it make more sense to ban the machines instead of just a floppy?