iPhone 4S! What do you guys think of it?
I'm personally gonna wait till iPhone 5 next year. Still happy with my mint 3GS!

I said the following straight after the event:

"So, Apple actually tried something that every other manufacturer hadn't been doing for years with that Siri thing. I found the talk about the antenna laughable, though. "Revolutionise" = break? 4S will intelligently switch between antennas for better call quality, which I think means you can hold it however you like and still make a call."

I personally follow the logic here:

1. Choose a manufacturer that has actually made real mobile telephones over the years.

2. Buy one of their models.

I love my Samsung Galaxy S2. The specs are as good as, if not better than the iPhone and its half the price. I'd rather pay the money for a good phone than pay several hundred pounds for a picture of an apple on the back. No thank you Steve!

It's Tim cook who's nOw CEO of apple.
And also, the iPhones a few hundred pounds WITHOUT contract. I've seen iPhone 4's @ £195 @£20 for 18 months!

I'm not biasing you into apple stuff, I'm just making you understand the common mistake most people make when they see a price tag of the 4(S), especially the price of the 64gb model at £700, when it could be with contract by carrier (let's say O2) for £350 with a contract of some sort. So the price is Halved already. Otherwise you are right and you put a lot of expense into what would practically be an iPod touch that looks like and is iPhone 4(S) without contract.

I am angry. Extremely angry. Mostly at apple, although I am a reasonable human being and understand that I should have known better.

I have been waiting to renew my contract for about 3 months now, holding out for the iPhone 5 (that's right) and all the potential that they could bring with it. Not a bloody 4s. I don't want Siri. I'm not really bothered about the camera resolution, as I happen to own a camera, often used for the procedure of taking photographs. Ok, so it's got a new processor and is therefore faster, but I honestly never had problems with my 3GS.

The thing that has excited me the most is the inclusion of iMessenger, which is essentially BBM for iPhones. The real kick in the balls with this is that it's not even a feature of the 4s, it's an OS5 feature, which will run on my F**KING 3GS!

Yes, it sounds odd that i'm angry that most of the features on the new phone will be available on my current one, but the point is that I've been waiting 3 months to see something fantastic. Yet all I've been shown is something mediocre.

F**k you Apple.

It's Tim cook who's nOw CEO of apple.
And also, the iPhones a few hundred pounds WITHOUT contract. I've seen iPhone 4's @ £195 @£20 for 18 months!

I'm not biasing you into apple stuff, I'm just making you understand the common mistake most people make when they see a price tag of the 4(S), especially the price of the 64gb model at £700, when it could be with contract by carrier (let's say O2) for £350 with a contract of some sort. So the price is Halved already. Otherwise you are right and you put a lot of expense into what would practically be an iPod touch that looks like and is iPhone 4(S) without contract.

itsme

The thing is, Apple are known for their margins. If they are putting a device out for £700 (whether up front or subsidised), you can bet that it isn't costing them more £500 to make. We like to call this "Apple Tax."

At the time I bought by Google Nexus S (amazing phone, by the way) it had comparable specs to the iPhone 4 (better in some places, worse in others) yet it only cost £400.

I'm not really complaining; if Apple convince people to pay an extra £300 for a device, fair play to them.

Apple are a funny company; and their marketing is clever, very clever on every level, advertisements, conferences, interviews.

Its not till you come into Apple on a job level you know what their about and what they look for; however I've been silenced and not allowed to give out specifics.

I have never owned anything made by Apple and never will due to there working practices. They seem to care more about how much money they can extract from people than providing a good service.

An example is with there computers. Instead of being able to buy parts yourself and fix your own Mac for £60 you have to take it to a Apple approved shop and pay them something like £150-£200 instead.

As said above they also like to price there stuff higher than other simmiler products by other companies but without anything really different except a stylish look to the device...

One thing that rearly puts me off them is that each version of devices they make doesn't seem to be a massive improvement to the last one.

Its not till you come into Apple on a job level you know what their about and what they look for; however I've been silenced and not allowed to give out specifics.

"Broonie"

Evil company which doesn't care about its users and only cares about money? A company which makes Micro$oft look like saints? Am i close?

They're out for market dominance. They always have been. If they can control the market they can control the prices (and of course make those prices very high).

Apple have always been ahead in technology. By the mid 1980's, macs had a proper desktop windowing interface similar to windows 3.0, while PC's were still a DOS command line. Macs were a decade ahead of PC's, yet everyone got PC's. Why?

The reason is one of control. IBM opened up their architecture and restrictions so that anyone could manufacture pc parts and anyone could write windows software. This meant they lost control of the market, but the extra competition between manufacturers brought down prices making PC's super-cheap.

Apple's all-or-nothing approach lead them to keep everything closed, only allowing their hardware to be used and only allowing approved developers to write software. They tried to control the market and the market fought back..

They came back again by being ahead of the times in the mobile device market. Still though, the same hardware restrictions and massive price tag. Still all apps have to be approved, to the extent that developers with approved apps can release an update for an app only to have apple remove it from the app store for no l0nger conforming to their changing standards. Developers don't like that sort of thing...

Now that the rest of the phone manufacturers have caught up with the quality of technology but with much cheaper prices, apple are starting to lose out again. Apple are now trying to control the market by suing the hell out of everyone who dares release a competing product. It seems to me like an act of desperation; they have even fabricated evidence in courts to try and win cases.

Apple are incredibly clever. Their development and marketing strategies are genius. They are too greedy though. They insist on trying to control the market but the market doesn't want to be controlled. I refuse to buy apple products purely because I am opposed to their domineering state of mind and think they deserve what's coming to them.

Its not till you come into Apple on a job level you know what their about and what they look for; however I've been silenced and not allowed to give out specifics.

"Broonie"

Evil company which doesn't care about its users and only cares about money? A company which makes Micro$oft look like saints? Am i close?

Stucuk

I can't say, that should say enough. If you get what I mean.

Do you work for apple broonie?
Anyway, I do agree with the iOppossers to apple here,
Take a 21.5'' iMac for example here.
PROS:
All-in-one
Fast processor
Virus-free operating system
CONS:
Sh1tty graphics card for what you pay for
Small hard drive for what you pay for
Small RAM for what you pat for

To upgrade your RAM to 8GB would cost you £160, compared to £40 for a set somewhere else.

If I were to remake that model for the next gen of iMacs I'd at least add 6GB of RAM and a 1TB Hard drive with a 1.5GB graphics card

I see your points, guys, +1 to all of you.

To be honest, my thoughts on Apple were "meh." If they could make their money the way they do, I didn't mind. I even owned an iPod Classic 80gb (great device) and an iPhone 3G, and if I had the money to throw away, I'd own a Macbook Air right now.

However, they done some things recently what I did not like. Such as;

- Actively suing over their ridiculous patent for the "Slide to unlock" design feature.

- Bringing in-app subscriptions and charging 30% (far too much, but, whatever, it's their market) is one thing, but then changing the terms so that app makers not only MUST have a subscription option inside the app, but they also must NOT link to an external subscription option.

- Having the nerve to try and act like the antenna issues on the iPhone 4 were a minor issue. It's a phone. Removing the ability to make calls with it makes it an expensive iPod Touch!

- Suing every manufacturer with an Android phone over design elements that are, quite often, a part of the Android OS. If you're gonna sue over the slide to unlock feature, sue Google, Mr. Big Lawyer Pants.

I also wasn't very happy with them over the Flash thing. Yes, HTML5 needs to be pushed, but when a quarter of the Internet needs Flash to be viewed properly, and you have a large market share in devices for viewing the Internet, you're censoring by not allowing Flash.

To sum up, my problem with Apple is not their "walled garden" approach to business - Xbox Live is also walled garden, and I love it - but rather the arrogant arsiness with which they act towards everyone else.

Customers included.

Virus-free operating system

itsme

This is untrue. They are not immune to virus's. Any device that can be programmed can have a virus made for it. Its only because Macs have a low market share that people are more likely to write virus's for PC's. People who make virus's want to infect the most computers they can, so they generally pick the platform which will infect the most people. Given that places like Steam now support Mac's your likely to see Mac's market share go up and as a result more Virus's made for them.

Virus's generally only infect stupid people. They are not a major threat to anyone who has common sense. If you stay away from dodgy websites, don't download files from e-mails and scan everything you download then there is a very low chance of infection.

meh, fair enough, but just to get the point sraight, mac dont get viruses as much as pc does. why is above (stucuks)

anyway, can we get back to subjects please?
thank you